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Boards are seeking more input from HR, which raises the professions profile but also generates political and other risks.
It wasn’t that long ago that many corporate boards served essentially as bystanders in the business, rubber-stamping whatever initiatives CEOs laid down.
But that was before scandals at Enron and other companies came to light, before the passage of the Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) Act and the implementation of regulations from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) mandating clearer and more-detailed disclosure of top executive pay.
Now, in response to these developments, boards are more actively involved in overseeing businesses, says Beverly Behan, who serves as managing director of the Hay Group’s Board Effectiveness Practice and has consulted with nearly 70 boards in the United States and Canada. “Pre-SOX, the vast majority of boards were very ritualistic; the CEO ran them imperial-style,” says Behan. “Today, boards are more independent and engaged. They’re asking more questions, getting heavily involved in key decisions.”
Jill Kanin-Lovers, a former HR executive at Avon who now serves as a director on three corporate boards, also sees an increase in board activity and oversight. “I can’t believe some of the compensation proposals we got approved on the management side when I was vice president of HR at Avon,” she recalls. “Today, as a board member, I would never approve stuff like that without more detail and analysis.”
Like Kanin-Lovers, other corporate directors also are seeking more data and analysis—in many cases from top HR professionals. For HR executives hungry for access to the board, this trend can be good news. But it also can bring challenges that top HR executives should be aware of. For example, increased interaction with board members can put HR in a politically sensitive position with regard to the CEO. Partly in response to such pressures, boards often hire outside HR consultants to advise them—a situation that may or may not work to an HR executive’s advantage.
HR Arrives on the Boards Radar
Immediately following passage of SOX, audit and other financial matters became corporate boards’ top priorities. Now, HR concerns appear to be moving up the list, according to some experts.
To be sure, not everyone sees this trend. For example, Ed Lawler, distinguished professor at the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California, has studied board involvement and believes that most still don’t ask for significant corporate HR data—perhaps because many boards don’t have members who possess enough HR-specific expertise to know what to request. (See sidebar “More HR Expertise Needed”.)
But there is evidence that at least some boards are grabbing hold of key strategic HR issues, such as succession planning, talent management and especially executive compensation. This trend likely will be spurred to new heights by recent SEC regulations that took effect Dec. 15 and that impose more-stringent standards for disclosing executive pay.
“The new regulations are focused on making sure there is coherent disclosure of total compensation—including salary, benefits and stock options paid to key executives,” says Allan J. Reich, chair of the National Corporate and Finance Practice Group at law firm Seyfarth Shaw in Chicago. (For more information on these rules, see the
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The new standard will make things tougher for HR, predicts Kanin-Lovers. Board directors will be asking more questions and requiring more-detailed explanations about HR programs and the data HR collects, she says. As boards move to meet these requirements, she believes HR will be under pressure to justify the plans. This new pressure for information and interaction will add to the involvement that HR executives already have in board activities.
In general, chief HR officers are allotted time at board meetings to report on key human capital issues. They sit in with other members of the executive team at board meetings to offer counsel, then leave when the board moves into executive session. At the committee level, HR usually is linked with the compensation committee, but there are opportunities with other committees as well, including governance, nominations and even audit.
“There’s a role for HR working with every board committee,” says Kanin-Lovers, whose background also includes 17 years as a consultant for Towers Perrin. “Boards have had some scares with compensation out of control, as well as with ethics issues, and are seeing the advantages of having HR in the room. Years ago, when I worked as a consultant, you didn’t see the connections you do now. There’s more reliance on the HR function for input and staff report work.”
One HR executive who can attest to board members’ reliance on HR is John Gordon, senior HR executive at Methanex of Vancouver, British Columbia, the world’s largest producer and distributor of methanol. Gordon, along with the CEO, plays a key role in staffing and prepping the board and all of its committees. “We prepare and present them with all the information they use to make their decisions,” says Gordon.
In the wake of new regulations (the company is governed by both the SEC and Canadian securities laws), Gordon says his board has been more demanding. “As corporate governance has evolved, the agendas have changed. The board has greater expectations of its involvement in every aspect of our business. It’s requesting more information and wanting to get deeper into [HR and other] issues.”
In general, board members also want HR executives to share their analysis and speak their minds. “The HR executive has to be able to look me in the eye and tell me the baby is ugly,” says Stuart Levine, lead board director of Gentiva Health Services, a 17,000-employee health services provider. “Give me the facts and move on. If you have a different opinion, I want to hear it.” Levine relies on HR executive Brian Silva, who staffs the compensation committee, as a sounding board.
“It’s the senior HR guy’s job to anticipate; HR has to dig a little deeper, giving more information as well as filtering out the unnecessary data,” says Peter Gleason, COO and director of research at the National Association of Corporate Directors, a 15,500-member nonprofit membership organization for corporate boards and individual board members in Washington, D.C. “They’re looking for your analysis as well as the numbers.”
The Fine Line
Greater involvement with the board can raise the profile of the HR profession, but it also can put select HR executives into dicey situations.
One possible risk is that board members will lose sight of strategic issues and become too involved in operational ones. Even though the commonly accepted mantra for board members is “noses in, fingers out”—meaning members should learn what they can but refrain from touching the business—the temptation to step over the line is always there.
Levine says board members must strike a balance between micromanaging and asking intelligent questions to get the information they need. The danger, he says, is that board members may become disruptive to management. “If you’re too intrusive,” he believes, “you can undermine the CEO.”
“You don’t want the board mired in the day-to-day—that’s management’s job,” agrees Gleason. “You want them to think strategically and to be in a position to advise management on big-picture issues.”
But, Kanin-Lovers acknowledges, it can be a struggle for board members to stay out of operational concerns. “It takes a lot of discipline not to get involved, partly because of what you’re required to know,” she says. “It leads you closer and closer to operations. But you’re not the one who’s supposed to be implementing strategy.”
This is a lesson learned slowly for newly appointed board members, says John Cecil, chief human resource officer at Lee Memorial Health System in Cape Coral, Fla. “It takes a good deal of time to educate board members when they’re first elected,” he says. “The new members may go down the road of trying to micromanage, but they quickly discover how complex our business is. Eventually they settle in to their role as fiduciaries, focusing on setting policies.” (Lee Memorial is a public health care system with 8,000 employees in 60 locations in southwest Florida.)
In some cases, HR and other executives believe they are being micromanaged because they misconstrue board members’ intent, says Paula Cholmondeley, a full-time independent director who serves on five boards. “We have to know more, so we have to engage in dialogue and ask more questions,” she says. “People interpret our questions and comments as things they should be doing.”
More Info = More Strategy?
There also is concern that the increased interaction between board members and HR executives is resulting only in the hurried passing of data—not in greater strategic thinking about human capital management.
Constance Dierickx, senior consultant at RHR International in Atlanta, has numerous contacts with senior HR leaders and is unimpressed with the dialogue between HR and the board. “I’m hearing that [HR is] running around like crazy responding to requests from the board, having to produce information and documentation,” she says. “They feel pressure to produce the right information at the right time—and do it fast. They say things like ‘the board needs and wants to know these things, but I get 30 minutes on their agenda. I can’t be thorough and that rapid.’ ”
But Steve Ford, managing partner of OI Partners in Concord, Mass., has extensive contact with many senior HR executives who report that, since SOX, their relationships with the board have expanded greatly.
“They say they’re working more with boards on leadership development, talking about succession planning and company culture,” Ford says. “They’re reporting to the board regularly and meeting with independent directors who are interested in issues particularly around culture and diversity.”
At Lee Memorial Health System, Cecil provides a quarterly report to the board summarizing key HR data with detailed explanations. He works with a liaison on the board, who is his primary contact in between meetings, “as often as five times a month.”
Another potential risk for HR professionals is that they may be caught in the middle of the demands of the board and the loyalty expected from the CEO.
Charles Elson, director of the Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware in Newark, and a member of three boards, notes that “HR reports to the CEO and also to the board. What happens when the CEO confides in him, or he learns information critical of the CEO? Does he keep quiet or go to the board?”
Dierickx cites a senior HR executive in a Fortune 500 company who hedges when questioned by the board about C-suite executives. “He does not want to put information on the table about someone that conflicts with the CEO’s view, even though he knows the board needs to know it. He’s afraid of the CEO and how he’ll react. Here’s where the directors could do a better job. They’re not sufficiently building a [business] relationship with the executive so that he feels encouraged to disclose.”
But efforts to build better relationships with HR and other executives are not always encouraged by CEOs. Cholmondeley describes a situation where the vice president of HR asked her to have lunch with someone they recently recruited; she accepted the invitation. She later received a call from the CEO asking her why she was talking to this person without his approval.
Dierickx says it is a fallacy to believe that changing the structure of the board and stacking it with outsiders will automatically change something within an organization’s structure. “You take the CEO out of the room and assume the discussion will be different,” she says. “That may be true among directors who are peers, but when the HR director is in the room, HR and the directors are not peers; it’s incumbent on the board members to create the climate that encourages HR to speak out.”
Attorney Reich says HR should be cautious when it decides to speak critically about the CEO to the board. “I represented the executive VP and CFO at an airline company who told the board they didn’t believe the CEO was doing a good job,” he recalls. “The board sided with the CEO. Soon after, the executives were gone.”
To further complicate matters, as boards take their responsibilities more seriously, they are seeking independent advice as a check on the information they’re receiving from management. “We’re hiring our own consultants to advise us on compensation for the senior management group,” says Warren Batts, an adjunct professor of strategic management, University of Chicago Graduate School of Business at the University of Chicago, former CEO of Tupperware and Premark International, and currently a director on three boards.
Whereas before an HR executive had one or two masters to serve—the CEO and the board—now you have to convince an independent consultant to approve a proposal.
“We might ask HR for feedback, but we don’t include them in discussions at the top,” says Batts. “We don’t want to put the HR person at risk with his boss in discussions over how much compensation to offer a key player. We bring the HR person in when we’ve decided what we’re going to do to help with the implementation.”
The hiring of outsiders could work in HR’s favor for sensitive matters. “Legally and from a fiduciary standpoint, HR works for the company and has an obligation to come forward with any information that will have an impact on company performance,” says Elson. “But boards realize that HR executives are human, so from a practical standpoint, it makes sense to hire independent consultants.”
And, on occasion, independent consultants help HR’s effort. They can initiate or quash actions that would be political bombshells for HR to take on itself. “They strengthen you,” Kanin-Lovers observes. “Sometimes management wants to implement something that in your heart you have a problem with. Outside consultants can help put on the brakes.”
Kanin-Lovers chairs the compensation committee at executive recruitment firm Heidrick & Struggles and points out the change in the way independent consultants are selected. Before SOX, it was common for consultants to be hired by management—giving HR say in the selection. Now, the selection is the board’s.
But HR can still play a role in the selection process, says Kanin-Lovers. She warns that some consultants have their own agendas, such as trying to impose their proprietary compensation systems on client companies. She recommends HR offer its expertise to board members to vet potential consultants before hiring them.
Working It Out
Once HR figures out its place and role with the board in this regulatory climate, it can start to capitalize on the opportunity.
No question, the new climate in corporate governance will be giving HR more opportunities to shine. “The door is slowly opening,” says Lawler. “The question is: Does HR have the personal credibility and analytical ability to go through it?”
Kanin-Lovers says you gain credibility by building relationships. A good beginning is to be all over the information—retention, recruitment, succession documents, lists of high-potential employees and salary surveys—that you provide. Get it there and do it on time, she says. “What drives me nuts is when I don’t get the stuff in advance with enough time to understand and analyze [it]. And speak in plain English. Remember, most directors don’t have the same kind of background as you.”
Kanin-Lovers also says HR directors can benefit greatly from independent board members and their savvy. “It’s like the cheapest advice that a company can get,” she says.
Silva, who formerly served as chief HR officer at Linens ’n Things, says HR executives must understand the nuances of their business; you can’t help with strategy if you’re not up to speed. “At Linens ’n Things, when board members called me to ask an HR question, they would always ask me how the company was doing—not just HR. They expected me to know, and I did.”
Robert J. Grossman, a contributing editor of HR Magazine, is a lawyer and a professor of management studies at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.
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